it didn't-- it wasn't off-putting in any way because he was so fully of energy. he was full of life. he could interact with everybody because it never occurred to him that he couldn't. of course, we ended up, uh, mostly in social circumstances, uh, drinking beer, eating pizza, listening to jazz, and pontificating to one another, and he was right in the center of it. at, uh, one of these, uh, gatherings, barack, uh, brought, uh, ann dunham in. she is, uh, was scarcely out of high school. i believe she was about 18 then-- might've been 19. she fit in right away with the very eclectic group of students and graduate students. she observed, i would say, more than spoke. but, uh, that also had to do with her character, her personality. she was much more reserved than, uh, barack senior was. >> [dewey] she was one of the hardest working people i've ever met. she seemed to effortlessly get an enormous amount of work done. um, never-- but never seemed hurried or flustered. she was just outstanding as a student and as a person. and i think this is the way barry grew up, kn